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Username: @Timo

 

Profile Link: https://www.nulled.t...er/2479957-timo

 

Short Description Of Product/Service: EM Trading Sub

 

Thread of sales: https://www.nulled.t...rading-service/

 

 

Screenshots of conversation (ibb.co / imgur.com) :

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Amount scammed: $90

 

Proof of payment: https://i.ibb.co/BsG...eenshot-216.png

 

Additional Information: (Anything you might find useful): hes also false advertising since he claims "we are the most accurate crypto predictor on the internet" on another forum which i also disputed on

meanwhile, Blessed Algo results:https://docs.google....h89xH35X4Pyy2Fg
compared to EM Calls results:https://docs.google....YXg2oAZErOxJnYE
dpmo

 

Crypto Address to receive refund on (if email address, pm @Lucas ): 1GmJLNcucSEQxmgYfTsVU5TmdSM1DVytVW


Edited by officialj4y, 19 November 2022 - 11:32 AM.

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you need to fix the links for all pictures


Edited by Dua, 18 November 2022 - 11:08 PM.

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Username: @Timo

 

Profile Link: https://www.nulled.t...er/2479957-timo

 

Short Description Of Product/Service: EM Trading Sub

 

Thread of sales: https://www.nulled.t...rading-service/

 

 

Screenshots of conversation (ibb.co / imgur.com) :

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Amount scammed: $90

 

Proof of payment: https://i.ibb.co/BsG...eenshot-216.png

 

Additional Information: (Anything you might find useful): hes also false advertising since he claims "we are the most accurate crypto predictor on the internet" on another forum which i also disputed on

meanwhile, Blessed Algo results: https://docs.google..../1...sp=sharing
compared to EM Calls results: https://docs.google..../1...=956640466
dpmo

 

Crypto Address to receive refund on (if email address, pm @Lucas ): Will give when requested

 

Fix the screenshots. And post the bitcoin address regardless of if it was requested. It's part of the format for a reason. 

 

 

@Timo reply within 12 hours.


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MY ONLY BITCOIN ADDRESS IS IN MY PROFILE. IF I SEND A DIFFERENT ONE IT'S NOT ME. 

I HAVE 2 DISCORD PROFILES:

"@lucas.1337" DISCORD ID IS "474341590891102219"

"@n.to" DISCORD ID IS "1056693864322318406"

MY TELEGRAM: t.me/LucasNulledTo

 

https://www.nulled.t...ypto-addresses/

^MY ONLY CRYPTO ADDRESSES^ 

 

 

 

ALWAYS ASK FOR A PM, NEVER SEND ME MONEY WITHOUT RECEIVING A MESSAGE FROM ME ON NULLED. I WILL NEVER REFUSE TO PM YOU. 

 

READ THIS TO AVOID BEING SCAMMED: 

https://www.nulled.to/topic/543296-beware-new-impersonation-scam-must-read/

https://www.nulled.to/topic/464285-recent-increase-of-scams


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you need to fix the links for all pictures

 

fixed my bad


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Fix the screenshots. And post the bitcoin address regardless of if it was requested. It's part of the format for a reason. 

 

 

@Timo reply within 12 hours.

fixed and gave my addy


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MY ONLY BITCOIN ADDRESS IS IN MY PROFILE. IF I SEND A DIFFERENT ONE IT'S NOT ME. 

I HAVE 2 DISCORD PROFILES:

"@lucas.1337" DISCORD ID IS "474341590891102219"

"@n.to" DISCORD ID IS "1056693864322318406"

MY TELEGRAM: t.me/LucasNulledTo

 

https://www.nulled.t...ypto-addresses/

^MY ONLY CRYPTO ADDRESSES^ 

 

 

 

ALWAYS ASK FOR A PM, NEVER SEND ME MONEY WITHOUT RECEIVING A MESSAGE FROM ME ON NULLED. I WILL NEVER REFUSE TO PM YOU. 

 

READ THIS TO AVOID BEING SCAMMED: 

https://www.nulled.to/topic/543296-beware-new-impersonation-scam-must-read/

https://www.nulled.to/topic/464285-recent-increase-of-scams


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Hello everyone.
Here we go.

Lets start off by saying this:
EM Trading consists of multiple products, you get them all for one price (if i'm not mistaken OP did not pay 150 but 90):
- EM Indicator.
- EM Trading zone (discord server with alerts for the indicator and such).
- EM Crypto Calls (signal service).
 

First lets start here:

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As you can see i explain him that each day in crypto calls without calls is compensated (so the days get added to your sub).
I'm sure everyone here is following the crypto world, and a lot of things are happening that cause sudden movement.
User safety is our number one priority, which is why we disabled the forwarder.
At the moment trading is simply really hard, the market is unpredictable at this current moment, everyone slightly involved in the crypto market knows this.
ALL the days that the forwarder is disabled is compensated and added on top of the subscription duration of EM Crypto calls.

So lets say you buy 31 days of EM Trading.
You can use the indicator when ever, we don't stop or pause that as it's a product that would benefit from some knowledge from the user, so this expires after the 31 days.
Crypto calls is meant for the people who don't know a lot about trading, we do pause the forwarder when the market turns to a unpredictable state, we then compensate the days, we rather have no calls then bad calls.
So even if your EM Indicator / EM Trading zone subscription already expired, you will keep your EM Crypto Call days, so it could be that you will still be using EM Crypto Calls after 40 or 50 or whatever amount of days.
You are not losing anything, you are simply not trading in a bad and unpredictable market, and thus protected to dangerous and unpredictable market conditions.

Point number 2 is that you can clearly see the user stating that he needs the money for what ever reason, as harsh as this sounds, this is not our problem.
You can always ask, but it should in no way be our responsibility that you bought something at a time where you could actually not afford it.
We are not a charity.

I responded to him in a polite and respectable manner, yet he starts to insult me multiple times.
I again explained the reasoning, why we disable the forwarder and compensate in uncertain markets, etc etc, but he continues to insult me.
He has been in EM Trading since 18 days, we have been in profit since those 18 days, and we have compensated each day the forwarder is disabled.

Then this:

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Here you can see i told him that he could use the indicator in the mean time, the indicator gave a lot of profitable short calls ( https://t.me/emindicator/723 ) but he "doesn't care" and just wants he's money back.
The Crypto Calls is meant for people who don't know a lot about trading, so we decide when the best time to trade is, that's the whole point of that service, if OP want's more calls (and use it with he's TA, like he said in this screenshot) he can use the indicator, which is included in he's subscription.

OP is acting like a manchild/Karen/what ever you call it, i have been nothing but polite to him explaining the reasoning but as he stated him self, he needs the money, so he will take any chance and any bullshit excuse to try to blame me.
I see 0 reasons to refund OP, we are simply protecting our users from a extremely volatile market, like everyone with a respectable service should, while still compensating each day without calls.

Also this user already opened a thread on cto, see my other responses there. 


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Discord: TimoKL # 1373 (without spaces, ID: 880511849240616992)
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When will the calls be reinstated? It makes no sense that you halt a part of your service, out of nowhere, and consider it the buyers problem due to the world or market circumstances. He paid for a service that includes the calls, and he should receive the calls. Getting compensated for the days without calls, does not make up for the subscription that was wasted or the time spent without doing anything. If you have no aproximate date where the calls will resume, then you need to remove the service from your ad and offer alternatives to the missing service to customers that wanted that specific service from you. If you take 2 years to reinstate the service, it makes no sense for the customer to sit around and wait for you to start it again. Set a timeframe in which you know the service will be resumed, and refund him for the subscription if that date is reached without any news.


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MY ONLY BITCOIN ADDRESS IS IN MY PROFILE. IF I SEND A DIFFERENT ONE IT'S NOT ME. 

I HAVE 2 DISCORD PROFILES:

"@lucas.1337" DISCORD ID IS "474341590891102219"

"@n.to" DISCORD ID IS "1056693864322318406"

MY TELEGRAM: t.me/LucasNulledTo

 

https://www.nulled.t...ypto-addresses/

^MY ONLY CRYPTO ADDRESSES^ 

 

 

 

ALWAYS ASK FOR A PM, NEVER SEND ME MONEY WITHOUT RECEIVING A MESSAGE FROM ME ON NULLED. I WILL NEVER REFUSE TO PM YOU. 

 

READ THIS TO AVOID BEING SCAMMED: 

https://www.nulled.to/topic/543296-beware-new-impersonation-scam-must-read/

https://www.nulled.to/topic/464285-recent-increase-of-scams


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When will the calls be reinstated? It makes no sense that you halt a part of your service, out of nowhere, and consider it the buyers problem due to the world or market circumstances. He paid for a service that includes the calls, and he should receive the calls. Getting compensated for the days without calls, does not make up for the subscription that was wasted or the time spent without doing anything. If you have no aproximate date where the calls will resume, then you need to remove the service from your ad and offer alternatives to the missing service to customers that wanted that specific service from you. If you take 2 years to reinstate the service, it makes no sense for the customer to sit around and wait for you to start it again. Set a timeframe in which you know the service will be resumed, and refund him for the subscription if that date is reached without any news.

As soon as the market is a bit more stable.
In no way will we stop this service, the OP bought through our telegram channel, and we stated there multiple times that we work this way.
If the market is unstable, compensation mode activates, our forwarder won't give calls and days are compensated.
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It's also in the F.A.Q of our public telegram channel (the source OP bought from):

 

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I assume you follow the news Lucas, we are currently waiting if more instances will go bankrupt, which causes sudden movement which can not be predicted.
We are doing everything we can to keep our customers protected from exposure of bad market, we do not plan to quit this service.
I'll also add the same line to the thread right now, but this customer bought through telegram, he came from another forum (HF), but bought through our telegram channel since he bought EM Trading at the time the thread was not yet updated on HF, telegram was the first place where we updated the links so this proofs he bought through there.

The last call before our filter detected the bad market was 12 days ago, this user joined 18 days ago and got 6/7 calls which added up were profitable, if you check the sheet you can see the average amount of calls per month is around 20.
We could just call it quits after those amount of calls and not compensate days, but we want to offer a good value for your money, which is why we choose to do it this way.
In general users buy a month, and get more value for their money due to the compensation mode we offer, IMO it's not fair to now force us to delete our filter and make the experience worse for everyone, this is how we advertise it, this is what i tell people when they ask me how many calls on average, we have been very open about this and IMO OP is just in need of money, which he admitted in the first few messages he sent me, and is now trying to get it this way.
 


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this has been edited today, 6 hours ago. I cannot consider this a valid confirmation of anything.

I follow the news. This has nothing to do with the news. If you are unable to provide what he paid for, he should be refunded. Being unable to provide it because you're sick or because the market doesn't let you, does not mean you have no responsibility with your customers.

I also am not seeing any warning on your server (telegram) about the calls being paused, on hold, not being made. I only see bumps and ADs promoting your service. The last mention of ''crypto calls'' was you promoting the service as your most profitable option.

No mention whatsoever about that particular service being currently unavailable. No mention whatsoever that you're activating ''compensation mode'' or that days without calls will receive compensation. I can't see your private groups so Im talking about the group you posted pictures of. Maybe you did post this on your private crypto calls group, but it should be posted on all servers so that customers and potential customers won't miss it.

 

If you are unable to provide the crypto calls service for 18 more days, making the total downtime 30 days (obviously, with the expected consistency) you will have to give him a refund for the remainder of his subscription after you stopped giving calls.


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MY ONLY BITCOIN ADDRESS IS IN MY PROFILE. IF I SEND A DIFFERENT ONE IT'S NOT ME. 

I HAVE 2 DISCORD PROFILES:

"@lucas.1337" DISCORD ID IS "474341590891102219"

"@n.to" DISCORD ID IS "1056693864322318406"

MY TELEGRAM: t.me/LucasNulledTo

 

https://www.nulled.t...ypto-addresses/

^MY ONLY CRYPTO ADDRESSES^ 

 

 

 

ALWAYS ASK FOR A PM, NEVER SEND ME MONEY WITHOUT RECEIVING A MESSAGE FROM ME ON NULLED. I WILL NEVER REFUSE TO PM YOU. 

 

READ THIS TO AVOID BEING SCAMMED: 

https://www.nulled.to/topic/543296-beware-new-impersonation-scam-must-read/

https://www.nulled.to/topic/464285-recent-increase-of-scams



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